2011 Civil
Procedure Questions & Answers
Question
1 - about retroactivity of federal rules.
I asked a question during class about changes to the federal rules and how the
impact cases that are making their way through court. My question is as
follows:
Assume Sierocinski sends his pleading to the court
before December 1, 2011. DuPont requests more information in the plea,
and the court requests Sierocinski for more
info. Sierocinski sends it. A little legal questions ensue as in the original
case. The court rules on November 30, 2011 that Sierocinski
didn't need to plead evidence, his amended complaint is sufficient, and the
trial is remanded to the lower court with the amended plea as in the original
case. Then, on the morning of December 1, 2011, the new Federal rule
established in Twombly/Iqbal
officially takes effect. Now plaintiffs must plead evidence in their
complaint. The case was remanded to the courts. The original
complaint was filed before the new rule, but the case was remanded and the new
trial has not yet started. Does the case proceed without the influence of
the new rule, or because it was remanded and hasn't restarted yet, the new rule
applies?
Certainly, it seems more fair to the defendant to
enforce the new rules; the rules changed for a reason, and now courts want
evidence to be pleaded in the complaint. Yet, it doesn't seem fair to Sierocinski who initiated the complaint before the new
rule. Furthermore, the new rule takes effect before the retrial, so it's
not as if they're in the middle of proceedings. From an efficiency
standpoint, though, it seems easier just to enforce the new rule across the
board. I have no idea what Federal Rule would govern such a case.
A. This brings up a number of nice issues. The first, which we
discussed a bit in class, simply concerns the question of retroactive
application of the federal rules or interpretations of the federal rules.
As far as amended rules are concerned, the Rules Enabling Act (28 U.S.C. §
2074) addresses the issue:
"The Supreme Court may fix the extent such rule shall apply to proceedings
then pending, except that the Supreme Court shall not require the application
of such rule to further proceedings then pending to the extent that, in the
opinion of the court in which such proceedings are pending, the application of
such rule in such proceedings would not be feasible or would work injustice, in
which event the former rule applies...."
In determining whether retroactive application is just and practicable, federal
courts have been guided by the principle that “to the maximum extent possible,
the amended Rules should be given retroactive application....” Skoczylas v.
Federal Bureau of Prisons, 961 F.2d 543, 546 (5th Cir.1992).
But you bring up another twist. First of all, the issue is interpretation of a
federal rule rather than amendment. Furthermore, there was already litigation
in the case about the proper interpretation of the federal rule. It is
problematic to reopen an issue that has already been litigated in a case, even
if there is an intervening SCt decision. My guess
here is that a doctrine called the "law of the case" -- which has
been developed to avoid reconsideration of matters once decided during the
course of a single continuing lawsuit -- would apply here. On the doctrine see
Wright & Miller Federal Practice and Procedure § 4478.
Question
2 - about appeal from state supreme court to US Supreme Court
Quick
question (I think): Can a case go from the state supreme court straight to the
U.S. Supreme Court or does it have to go through the U.S. Appeals Courts
first? It doesn't ever go from the state Supreme Court to the federal
district courts, right? Since they're just trial courts?
A. It goes straight to the US SCt, provided
that cert is granted. Remember, it has to be on a federal issue though. On
questions of state law the state SCt is supreme.
Question
3 - about Twiqbal and 7th Amendment
You commented a few times
recently that this Twiqbal stuff we are covering in
class presents a constitutional problem in the context of the 7th Amendment. I
did not fully think about these implications until after talking to you, but I
wanted to explore that a little more.
If we are going to cover this issue in class, then please
disregard everything left in this email. If we aren't going to cover it in
class (or at least with notable depth), are you able to conveniently provide a
little bit more context for me in terms of research? For example, even though Twiqbal is fairly recent (and thus its implications), I suspect
legal/constitutional commentators have already dragged this issue out into
daylight and are still kicking the dead horse.Are
there any famous federal cases (especially Supreme Court cases) that you know
of that have addressed this issue head-on? I'd love to dive into them if you
have any of the names handy.
A. We will not deal with this issue in any detail. (I'll probably say
about one sentence about it today.) I am unsure whether anyone has made this
criticism in print. You could do a westlaw search to
see (do you have westlaw yet?). Also, I do know that
someone has criticized summary judgment on 7th A
grounds. You might find the arguments there helpful.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=886363
Question
4 - about Twiqbal and judical
idiosyncrasy
If the
determination of plausibility/reasonability of whether or not the factual
allegations constitute a 'reasonably possible inference of liability' is made
by judges on the basis of their judicial experience and common sense, wont this
lead to significant variation in the determinations of what facts are
sufficient to constitute reasonable? If the federal judiciary is fairly diverse
in their experience and common sense frameworks, which they probably are, how
would a plaintiff have any way to reconcile the fact that there is a high
factual standard with the fact that the facts that they present may not be
considered enough to inference liability. It seems like the plaintiff just ends
up stuck on top of the monetary requirements and hassle of collecting evidence
in the first place.
A. I think that variation among federal judges about whether Twiqbal's plausibility standard is satisfied is indeed a
big problem. We'll talk about this in class a bit.
Question
5 - about burden and standard of proof for R 11 sanctions
I had a
question about burden of proof, and standard of proof, re: Rule 11 proceedings.
I believe you wanted me to email you re: this.
If I understood right, it sounded like the standard of proof was 'a
preponderance of evidence'; and likely (certain?) that the person bringing the
Rule 11 proceeding (whether court or defendant) would have the burden of
proof.
These questions came to mind when considering Rule 11 study question #11, when
someone HAS in mind, at the time of signing a complaint, a non-frivolous
argument for reversing/altering existing law - but doesn't mention such. If a
Rule 11 proceeding were brought against him/her, which party would have to
prove what the plaintiff's counsel actually had in mind, at the time of signing
the complaint? It seems likely that the burden for proving this would be on the
party bringing the Rule 11 proceeding - but I wasn't sure.
As you indicated in class, Rule 11 proceedings under 11(b)(2)
are 'extra'-rare, and if someone subject to a Rule 11 proceeding could, at the
time of the proceeding, demonstrate a non-frivolous argument, he/she would
probably be fine; i.e., it would be very hard for someone to prove he/she
didn't have that argument in mind at an earlier date.
A. It turns out I was right both about the burden (on party - or
judge -
moving for sanctions) and the standard (preponderance), although as far
as the
standard is concerned it looked like courts have simply assumed it,
without
there being any real litigation on the matter. NOTE from 2012: in
connection with the same question in 2012, I found a federal court
saying the standard was clear and convincing, so the matter seems to be
unsettled.
Question
6 - about sanctions outside of R 11 and standard of review for R 11 sanctions
I
stumbled across this article from Ars Technica about a court ordered sanction: <http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/09/sanctioned-p2p-lawyer-fined-10000-for-staggering-chutzpah.ars> (the
article contains a link to a copy of the ruling). This doesn't seem to be
a Rule 11 issue, and the judge explicitly mentions Rules 26(g) and 45(c), but
see footnote 9, where the court uses some factors mentioned in Rule 11 to
determine the amount of sanctions appropriate. I also found Part IV
(additional sanctions) interesting, given the brief discussion in class about
possible non-monetary sanctions.
Reading this, though, it occurred to me to ask: what is the standard of review for court ordered sanctions? I would guess the district judge has broad powers, and it is something like a clearly egregious test, at least, perhaps, to the issue of how much sanctions. Whether sanctions are appropriate might be a tougher standard of review?

Question 7 –
about continuing duty under R 11
I just wanted to clarify the potential for rule 11 to be violated by 'later advocating'.
The notes to rule 11 say:
"[A] litigant's obligations with respect to the contents of these papers are not measured solely as of the time they are filed with or submitted to the court, but include reaffirming to the court and advocating positions contained in those pleadings and motions after learning that they cease to have any merit."
Does this imply that the reasonable inquiry standard is applied at every step of the advocacy process when referencing certified pleadings, written motions, or other papers?
Could
you perhaps provide an example, it's all a bit abstract.

Question 8 – about Glannon v
Green
I had two quick questions from class today:
1) Do you think it is defensible that Glannon's position is that once you employ the state's (more lenient) laws about how you serve, you trigger the state's (more strict) laws about who may serve?
2) Do you know what percent of courts favor Glannon's position?
I was just intrigued that he didn't doesn't raise any arguments about the possible difference of interpretation, and wondered how important the difference was.

I
would still offer in my defense the fact that, as in the past when the federal
rule was more restrictive, the current federal rule on who may serve is in a
separate section that makes no reference to state law. It states categorically
who may serve and nothing about respecting a state’s more restrictive approach
is mentioned.
No
courts have favored either my position or Glannon’s.
It has never been litigated. It was litigated back in the day when the federal rule
was more restrictive, however, and then my view won – it was held that who may
serve is answered for all cases by the federal standard and how to serve is the
only issue where the federal or state approach can be used.
Question 9 –
on frivolous legal contentions under R 11(b)(2)
I just wanted to clarify some of the elements of rule 11, particularly 11(b) (2).
With respect to 11(b)(2)- when we are trying to determine whether or not a legal contention is warranted, it seems like we are giving some measure of consideration to the merit of a claim. I believe you mentioned in class that the Murphy v. Cuomo drug statute argument was probably not a strong one, and it seems like the judge mocks the contention, maybe rightfully so.
But wouldn't Brown v. BoE have been mocked to on the ground that a cursory view of case law recognized no such contention? I don't know anything about the quality of the lawyer that represented Murphy, but my guess is that he was no Thurgood Marshall, and that may have gone some distance in determining as to whether or not the claim was 'warranted'. Though that is not a legal ground.

But I
doubt that there would have been sanctions in Murphy if (b)(2)
had been the only problem. I think the (b)(3)
violation was more important to the court’s decision.
Question 10 – about the Mennonite case and due process
in service
With regard to serving notice, we've kind of specified who has
to receive the notice if it's sent by certified mail. So why wasn't the bank
(in Mennonite Missions Board v. Adams) able to claim it didn't receive notice
because the mortgagor was the recipient of the notice and not the bank itself?
Isn't the bank the sole designated recipient of the notice?
Why was it even sent to the former owner of the
property?

Question 11 –
question on claim preclusive effect of dismissals on service grounds
If a case is dismissed for failure of proper service, is that with or without prejudice (at least presumptively, since gross abuse could conceivably change the rule)?

Question 12 – more on
Glannon v. Green…
I'm going to rehash the state law summons question you mentioned in class, because Glannon seems to have the better argument in my mind.
I'll grant you that if a state allows summons to be delivered by persons under 18 years of age, or who are parties to the case, the Federal Rules can and probably should be interpreted to disallow that in federal actions. But let's imagine Mass. changing its law around slightly: it now allows service of summons under two conditions, (1) personal service by someone not a party to the case, *or* (2) nailed to the door by a sheriff. The policy behind the state law would clearly be giving a sheriff more leeway than ordinary persons (presumably because the courts trust the affidavit of the sheriff more). I have a hard time believing that 4(e)(1) is satisfied if a non-sheriff follows the sheriff-specific rule; to me that can't possibly be complying with state law (essential to 4(e)(1)), which clearly (in my hypothetical at least) is allowing the second method of service conditioned on the status of the person delivering the service.
So do you agree that my modified Mass. law would not allow a regular person (otherwise qualified) to nail the summons to the door? If so, do you distinguish this hypo somehow from the disagreement you have with Glannon? If not (you think a non-sheriff could use the second method of service), how do you square that with the sheriff being an essential element of the service under the state system (as opposed to the state system modified by R. 4(c)(2))?

Still
there is reason to read R 4(e)(1) as also referring to more restrictive state
law on who may serve, on the grounds that lenient rules on how to serve may
have been crafted with the restrictive rules on who may serve in mind. That’s Glannon’s argument. Your example makes the fact that the
two were tailored together even clearer. You may be right, but the point is
that the question must be answered by reference to R 4 and the intent of its
drafters – NOT Massachusetts law.
Question 13 – on
actual notice
Since I understand the need for defining what proper service entails as serving the purpose of actually notifying the defendant, I don't understand what is wrong with just worrying if actual notice occurred, even though the rules weren't followed. Why does it matter? Why don't we just care about actual notice? For what other reason does the process exist, if not to just ensure actual notice?

Question 14 – on
sovereign immunity
I am confused about the footnote on page 232 of F&K. It looks like the 11th amendment prevents an out-of-state citizen from suing a state regardless if that state consents. But the footnote says the court has sometimes allowed it (as in Petty v. Tennessee-Missouri Bridge Comm'n). What is the justification for allowing it?

Question 15 – on the
purposes of diversity
It seems like one could present the disadvantage that state
courts (supposedly) present to out-of-staters not as one of bias by judges, but
one of the rules themselves: If I happen to get in a car accident while driving
through Oklahoma, then neither I (a Virginian) nor any lawyers I'm likely to know
will be familiar with the Okla. state civ pro rules (which I gather from pg.
246 of KSS can be quite wacky: trial by ambush, no interrogatories, etc.)
So if I hit an Oklahoman and they drag me into state court, where
unfamiliarity with the rules could be a distinct disadvantage, I can remove to
federal court, where most lawyers would be at least somewhat acquainted with
the federal rules. So it seems like diversity could be viewed as serving
as an avenue towards a level playing field in terms of familiarity with the
rules and procedures which the courts require... but maybe I'm just a crazy
person.

Question 16 – on the
purposes of diversity
I was reading a bit in Friedenthal's hornbook to try to make sense of everything, and stumbled across the following: "However, the real concern of the supporters of diversity at the Constitutional Convention may have focused more on economic advantage than on the avoidance of assumed regional or state prejudice. The federal courts offered a means for protecting commercial groups from class bias on the part of democratically inclined state legislatures, which otherwise might pressure state courts into decisions hostile to commercial, manufacturing, and speculative land interests. According to this view, the problem that diversity addressed was not hostility among the states, but hostility among the classes." This admittedly contrasts with Marshall's explanation in Bank of U.S. v. Deveaux, so there seems to be a significant range of opinion here.

Question 17 – on the
amount in controversy
When 1332 says "exceeds the sum or value of $75,000," does that mean if the damages were for exactly $75,000, it wouldn't be allowed under diversity in federal court? Would you need at least $75,000.01?

Question 18 – on the
21-day safe harbor in R 11
Regarding the 21 days that the P has to fix the complaint for Rule 11, if the P fixes it, but the D thinks there is still a problem, can the D go straight to the court and file a motion for a rule 11 violation, or does it have to give the P another 21 days each time the P attempts to fix it? Does it matter if the reason it isn't fixed is different than what the D initially claimed was wrong with it

Question 19 -
Question about fictitious names
In 1441, what does it mean by "fictitious names"?

Question 20 – about
PJ in internet cases
In the Bensusan case, did the court determine what makes a website "interactive"? Does the capability of communicating with the people behind the website, through the site, determine it? For example, what if on a website you could click on someone's email address and your outlook would pop up with their email address in the "to" section, so you could send them an email? Or does the interaction have to occur all through the site, like Ticketmaster?

Question 21 – about Congressional
regulation of state court procedure
Given your comment in class today about possible federalism concerns if Congress tried to mettle in the working of state courts (talking about limits on personal jurisdiction short of constitutional requirements), you might find this interesting. I came across a blog post suggesting that certain Republicans in the Senate are claiming that since some state court litigation affects interstate commerce, that federal regulations are appropriate (concerning medical tort reform). The key quote from the proposed bill is this: "health care liability litigation systems [state courts?] existing throughout the United States are activities that affect interstate commerce..." The post is here: http://volokh.com/2011/10/18/fino-republicans-federalists-in-name-only/.

Question 22 – about Twiqbal
and affirmative defenses
Also, concerning my Twiqbal argument concerning defenses and/or responses: in the middle of p. 45 of the textbook it says "Thus, the [Twiqbal] Court was adding a requirement, just for claimants, above and beyond their having to give notice. The Court had unearthed, in Rule 8(a)(2)'s required 'showing,' the requirement that at the pleading stage and plaintiff must establish by nonconclusory allegations the complaint's plausibility." Thus, since the provisions of rule 8 dealing with defendants' responses don't include the word "showing" in them, the Court would have to tether a universal plausibility test to an additional source of the rules.

Question 23 – about waiver of defenses
Objections to PJ, venue, service, and process are waived if
not raised by pre-answer motion or in the responsive pleading (answer).
You mentioned two exceptions:
(1) If the first response was a pre-answer motion, and the
defense was unavailable when the first motion was made, a new motion may be
made. Rule 12(g)(2) and Rule 12(h)(1)(A).
(2) If the response was in a responsive pleading, by making
an amendment as a matter of course. Rule 12(h)(1)(B)
If D's first response is in the answer, may he later make a
motion to dismiss for improper venue if such defense
was unavailable to him when he filed the answer? Rule 12(h) seems to
say no. So D should probably use a pre-answer motion because this is the only
way to preserve any defenses which may be unavailable to him at the
pleasing phase. For example, if during discovery D finds out venue is improper,
he cannot do anything about it if he had raised procedural defenses
in the answer instead of pre-answer motion?

Q.
7
I
have a question stemming from the
hypothetical posed at the end of the Burger King discussion today,
about the
possibility of the franchisees seeking a declaratory judgment in
Michigan
before Burger King filed its suit in Florida.
I was
reading about a current case
where an alleged copyright infringer sought declaratory judgment
against rights
holders that its activities were non-infringing. It brought that
suit in
federal court in Washington state. The next week, the defendant
copyright
holders filed a copyright infringement suit in New York federal
court.
All of this happened just in the
past few weeks, so there has not been a response by either party to the
other's
complaint.
I was
wondering how these two
actions proceed from here, logistically. Are they consolidated in
one
venue because they're so related as to be the same action? Or if
they
move forward simultaneously, what happens if one holding conflicts with
the
other? There's probably a lot to unpack there, but was just
curious about
how two actions like these move forward when they concern the same
action, and
each complaint essentially makes arguments against the claims in the
other's
complaint.
A.
Some
of this we will deal with
later, but it is common for the court where the action was brought
later, upon
a motion by the defendant, to dismiss or stay the action because there
is a
prior action pending. Hence the “race to the courthouse”… Sometimes
this court
does not dismiss however. If it doesn’t then whatever suit comes to a
judgment
first (which may not be the one filed first) will, under the Full Faith
and
Credit Clause (or Full Faith and Credit Statute), be binding on the
court with the suit still going on. The result
could be that the suit still going on is claim precluded (issue
preclusion may
also apply).
Q. 8
In class, it seemed like you were formulating a distinction
between the traditions eliminated in Shaffer by referring to "wide
acceptance" in addition to the duration of the tradition. I'm
having trouble grasping that, as it seems like quasi in rem actions
enjoyed much the same broadness of use in the US as in personam ones
did. Based on my reading, it seemed like the traditional
distinction Scalia was making was, as he writes on page 110, between
present and absent defendants. "Our tradition has treated the two
classes of defendants quite differently, and it is unreasonable to read
Shaffer as casually obliterating that distinction. International
Shoe confined its 'minimum contacts' requirement to situations in which
the defendant 'be not present within the territory of the forum,' and
nothing in Shaffer expands that requirement beyond that." I don't
really know what question to ask here. I'm just having trouble
reconciling your interpretation of Scalia's position with the one I
have when I read this case, and I'm wondering if you have any
additional comments that might help.
A. This is a good question. You are right that S says that the relevant
distinction is between present and absent defendants. You suggest,
rightly, that this is enough to solve the problem in Burnham. But S is
also concerned about traditional forms of PJ over absent defendants
that might be struck down under Int'l Shoe. I think he is particularly
concerned about quasi in rem actions using real property. If every
assertion of PJ over an absent defendant must satisfy Int'l Shoe, then
quasi in rem actions using real property (or bank accounts) might be in
trouble. I think this is why he says the following, which is what I
emphasized in class:
“For new procedures, hitherto unknown, the Due Process clause requires
analysis to determine whether ‘traditional notions of fair play and
substantial justice’ have been offended. But a doctrine of personal
jurisdiction that dates back to the adoption of the Fourteenth
Amendment and is still generally observed unquestionably meets that
standard.”
Unlike the present/absent distinction, this standard does not merely
save tagging – it also saves quasi in rem using real property. What is
more, it is able to explain the result in Shaffer, where DE's method
was no longer widely used. I think that is why Scalia offers it.
Q. 9
You had also mentioned that Brennan's argument for transient
jurisdiction seeks to justify tagging in all situations, and does not
comport with the International Shoe quid pro quo idea. It seems
to me though like the argument that "A transient would have the full
benefit of the power of the forum State's courts as a plaintiff while
retaining immunity from their authority as a defendant" implicitly
relies on the International Shoe idea that states can assert personal
jurisdiction in cases where the state has a legitimate interest in
hearing the case. California wouldn't have jurisdiction under
Brennan's quid pro quo in the case of the Munich bar fight, because the
authority over the defendant wouldn't be based on any legitimate
interest of the California government and thus the "authority over the
defendant" clause of the quid pro quo wouldn't be satisfied.
A.
I think it is clear that Brennan seeks to justify transient
jurisdiction (that is tagging) by saying that it satisfies Int'l Shoe
standards. That means that he thinks that there is PJ in California
even for the Munich bar fight. If he doesn't think that there is PJ in
such a case, then he has not justified transient jurisdiction - he has
instead justified specific PJ in cases in which the cause of action is
related to the activities in the forum that the D engaged in when he
was tagged. (It sounds to me like that is what you are speaking of,
when you say that there is a quid pro quo.) But if that is what Brennan
is speaking of, tagging seems irrelevant. There is specific PJ for such
cases even if the defendant is not tagged in the forum state. So I have
a problem with your interpretation of Brennan’s opinion.
Q. 10
I just have a
question that I keep coming back to during our classes. Isn't it
a faulty assumption that federal court is better/more fair than state
court? Since the cases start out in the federal district court
that is located in a state that could assert PJ couldn't there still be
some state or domestic advantage?
I understand that the appellate process would or could be more fair,
there could also be some unique federal rule that makes federal court
necessary or advantageous for a party in a particular case, but is it
really more "fair?"
A. Here is one
way of putting your point. Why won't federal courts discriminate
against out-of-staters? After all the federal district court judge
sitting in California is likely to be a Californian - just like a
California state court judge. I agree. The prejudice argument for
diversity is pretty weak.
Q. 11
I
also have a question about 1441(b). Is it a possible form of
waiver of subject matter jurisdiction? If the plaintiff brings
the suit in state court in a state where one of the defendants is
domiciled, is the plaintiff essentially waiving his right to bring the
action in federal court? I know we said waiver wasn't possible,
but this seems like a backdoor way of waiving subject matter
jurisdiction. I could also be misunderstanding what waiver
means.
A.
The problem is that the restriction is not on the plaintiff, it is on
the defendants. The plaintiff can still get into federal court,
although not through removal (plaintiffs can't remove). The plaintiff
can simply voluntarily dismiss the state court action and then bring a
new action against the defendants in federal court. Voila.
Q. You said in class the
decision in Twombley was unconstitutional and that if there was in fact
a change to the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure that it would need to
be go in front of Congress. I don’t understand why it would need
to go before Congress considering the Rules Enabling Act? Didn’t
Congress through such delegate this authority?
A. Congress did
delegate its power, but with a number of limitations, one of which is
the following:
§ 2074.
Rules of procedure and evidence; submission to Congress; effective date
(a) The Supreme Court shall transmit
to the Congress not later than May 1 of the year in which a rule
prescribed under section 2072 is to become effective a copy of the
proposed rule. Such rule shall take effect no earlier than December 1
of the year in which such rule is so transmitted unless otherwise
provided by law. ...
As you can see, Congress demanded that
proposed rules be presented to them such that they might reject those
they don't like. Sort of like a legislative veto.
3. Murphy
v. Cuomo and failure to state a claim.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070921/ap_on_fe_st/odd_suing_god_7;_ylt=AtfOUFKQaVT46l76_.4MIAYE1vAI
What
forum would be proper to sue God? I saw that article and had to
forward it on to you.
A.
Federal subject matter jurisdiction? Unlikely. Didn't
look like he was suing under federal law and neither diversity nor
alienage jurisdiction would apply (God is not a citizen of a State nor
is he a citizen or subject of a foreign state). It would probably have
to be in state court.
There was a case in which someone sued Satan. Mayo v. Satan and his
Staff, 54 F.R.D. 282 (W.D. Pa. 1971). (The opinion is a denial of an
application to proceed in forma pauperis.) Federal subject matter
jurisdiction in this case was under 28 USC 1331, since Satan was being
sued under 42 USC 1983 for violation of the plaintif's constitutional
rights. One problem noted by the court was service, although I suppose
you could ask it to approve service by publication. Another problem was
PJ. Another was failure to state a claim, since Satan is not a state
official (that I know of).
In any event, your guy should watch out for Rule 11 (or its Nebraska
state law equivalent). Just because you can sue anyone does not mean
that you can't be sanctioned for doing so.
Q. 7. Question about Shaffer.
A.
I agree that there is nothing in Shaffer itself that requires the
fourth theory. Their refusal to grant PJ can be understood in terms of
the
standard Int'l Shoe approach. The problem is future cases. First of all
quasi in rem is still allowed in connection with bank accounts and real
property and it is hard to see how the contacts in such cases are
substantial and continuous enough to allow PJ for unrelated causes of
action. Second, there is the problem of tagging, where the contact
often is clearly not substantial and continuous. In both these cases
this
fourth theory starts playing a role. We will see this in Burnham.
Q. 8. Question about PJ over a number
of defendants.
Prof. Green,
I had a question over something I cannot find in
my notes. It is based off a hypo in tomorrow’s reading.
Bob is from Ohio and goes to the circus in
Maine. He gets attacked by a tiger. Bob sues Kelly, who
lives in Florida, for not checking to see if the cage was locked when
in Maine. He also sues Dave, who lives in Vermont, for not
locking the cage originally in Vermont.
Assume the court held PJ would not be proper for
Dave in Maine, because his negligent act took place in Vermont and he
had no minimum contacts with Maine. Where would be a proper forum
for the case?
7. Question about
collateral attacks.
In other words, suppose a
state granted that proper service only required the defendant to
receive the summons, and not a copy of the complaint. Under Glannon’s
reading, it would seem that 4(e)(2) would also then allow the state
rule to substitute for 4(c)(1)?
A. First, just a clarification. The issue concerns
two ways of reading 4(e)(1), not 4(e)(2), for it is 4(e)(1) that says
that service is OK if it is "pursuant to the law of the state in which
the district court is located, or in which service is effected, for the
service of a summons upon the defendant in an action brought in the
courts of general jurisdiction of the State." The question is whether
those 4(e)(1) state standards, when relied upon, also apply to who may
serve and so would trump the standard in 4(c)(2).
That said, your question is a good one -- Why draw the line at who may
serve? Why not expand it to what should be served? I guess
the argument against such an expansion would be that 4(e)(1)
says that "service upon an individual ... may be effected in
any judicial district of the United States" pursuant to state law, and
it is plausible to understand the law governing what is served not as
law about how service may be effected. But that's just a guess.
9. Question about
R. 5
Q. I understood what you said in class about Rule
4 applying to service on third parties, but Glannon seems to contradict
you starting at the bottom of 307 and continuing on the top of 308. It
states that "virtually all such papers may be served under the more
flexible provisions of Fed. R. Civ. P. 5...." What does this mean with
respect to what you said in class?
A. All I can say is that Glannon takes it back on
pp. 315-16, where he says that 3rd part complaints must abide by the
standards of R 4. I guess that is why he said "virtually." But the truth is that R
4 standards do not merely apply to 3rd party complaints, but also to
all pleadings served on someone who has not yet had any notice of the
suit, such as new parties joined to counterclaims.
12. Where's my
domicile?
Q. The discussion on domicile makes me question
where exactly I am domiciled. There are 4 different states I could be
domiciled in--
1) I just switched my driver's license from NC to VA and I intend to
live here for 3 yrs of law school-- but not sure where I'll live after
that.
2) I went to college in NC and worked for 6 months there and paid NC
income taxes. I briefly had a NC drivers license.
3) I am registered to vote in Georgia, where my mother and brother
live. I went to high school there, and one year of college, but I do
not ever intend to live in GA again.
4) On forms I claim my "permanent home address" with my father, who
lives in Las Vegas, NV. I've spent the last 2 summers and all holidays
there for the last 2 years. My car is registered in NV and I have NV
plates.
Where is my domicile?
If this is too tricky, it's okay. I just thought it was an interesting
situation.
A. The domicile of (emancipated) students is
always a problem, but your case sounds particularly difficult.
Curiously, you cannot have no domicile, so if you were to
sue or be sued by a Virginian, North Carolinian, Georgian or Nevadan in
federal court (under state law) the issue of your domicile would have
to be decided. It certainly is true that you were domiciled in Georgia at one
time and you would keep that domicile until you established a new one.
My gut tells me that you did establish a Virginia domicile, but
my gut is no better than yours on this matter.
13. Many
questions about diversity and alienage jurisdiction.
If you buy a product that comes with some kind of agreement (let's say one of those little warranties in the box) that has a clause that any legal action you take against them must take place in Alaska, is this enforceable in light of what we've learned, and you have NOTHING to do with Alaska and didn't get the product there? I've heard of these, and it sounds like it would allow a defendant to manipulate the system by forcing litigation in its own home state, where it may have favor- even though it shifts the inconvenience to the plaintiff.
A.But there is another problem in your question. It
seems that the parties
did not really bargain for the choice of venue provision. Instead the
purchaser was simply presented with the provision after having
bought the product. The movement for enforcing choice of venue
provisions is predicated on
the idea that parties’ bargain should be respected. But bargaining
seems absent here, which makes enforcement less likely - although one
could argue that if the consumer did not like the provision he could
have returned the product.
28. Question
about the enforcement of federal judgments in federal court.
Q.
A.
First of all, an action to enforce a judgment issued by a federal court is a state-law action, even when the judgment issued by the federal court concerned an action under federal law. Indeed Rule 69, which allows for supplementary proceedings to execute a federal judgment, specifies that the applicable law for enforcement shall be the law of the state where the federal court is located. (In truth, there is a bit of federal law on the topic, for example when theWhat is more, there is no independent ground for
federal
subject matter jurisdiction for the suit on the federal judgment,
unless the
parties are diverse. For example, assume that a
BUT there is ancillary jurisdiction for a state law action executing the federal judgment as long as it is understood as a continuation of the suit in federal court that rendered the judgment. How long can the successful plaintiff wait to bring these proceedings before that court? Very long. The only requirement is the limitations on such suits under the applicable state law, and that deadline often does not arise for years. So apparently you can go to a federal court years after it issued a judgment on your behalf and sue on the judgment. It will still be considered a “continuation” of the old federal suit, even though the action would surely have a different file number and a different judge assigned to it.
What is more, it turns out there is a method for the certification of a federal judgment in a federal court other than the one where it was issued and that new federal court too can enforce the judgment (see 28 USC section 1963). So, provided that there is certification, which can be done, once again, well after the issuance of the federal judgment, the suit to enforce the federal judgment can be brought in virtually any federal court. There is still ancillary jurisdiction, because it is still thought to be the continuation of the first federal suit. It is as if that first suit had now been transferred. (Of course there must be personal jurisdiction in that new federal court, for example, though the presence of the defendant’s assets in that state.)
But keep in mind that the fact remains that the
suit to
execute the federal judgment does not have federal subject matter
jurisdiction
on its own. It still cannot be successfully removed from state to
federal court,
for example. It is only allowed in federal court because it is
considered the
continuation of the prior federal proceedings.
Q.
Assume that an insurance claim adjuster for the defendant has taken a measurement of skid marks at the scene of the accident. The police have also taken measurements, which are shorter. The plaintiff believes that the police’s measurements are wrong. The defendant believes, or pretends to believe, that the police’s measurements are right. If the plaintiff asks the defendant for the length of the marks in an interrogatory, the defendant simply provides the police measurements. If the defendant asks for the adjuster’s measurements, the defendant asserts the work-product privilege.
We know that it is very likely that the plaintiff could overcome the work-product privilege because of the usefulness of the adjuster’s measurements for impeachment. That was the main point of the discussion in class. But why can’t the plaintiff simply depose the insurance adjuster and ask him the length of the skid marks? Isn’t that a simple way to get the information without having to overcome the work-product privilege at all? After all, facts are not privileged…right?
A.
It’s best to begin by identifying how this scenario is different from the normal work-product situation. Usually the person creating work product is not a witness to the events being litigated. Instead, he simply interviews those witnesses. As we know, even though the work product is protected, the witnesses themselves can always be deposed by the other side and must state truthfully their view of the facts. This follows from the general notion that facts (or really a person’s views about the facts) are not protected simply because they have been expressed in work product.
But this is a situation where the creator of the work product is himself a witness. This creates a tension. On the one hand the measurement of the skid marks is a fact about the case observed by a witness (the adjuster). It should be discoverable. On the other hand it is also the content of work product and so should be subject to a qualified protection.
What to do? After looking into the matter it has become clear that the adjuster can be deposed as a witness. When deposed, he – like any other witness – must state what he believes the skid marks were. A more problematic situation is if he, under the influence of the defendant, came to the conclusion that his original measurement was wrong and adopted the police report as his view. If so, it might be the case that the original measurement could be gotten only by overcoming the work-product privilege (I’m not sure about this). But it is clear that if the adjuster believes his measurements, the plaintiff can get them simply by asking the adjuster in discovery.
The question was also brought up in class how we
would treat
the adjuster if we categorized him as a non-testifying expert. After
all, their
opinions can be found out only given an extraordinary showing. This
device did
not sound right to me and so I said that courts would refuse to
categorize him
as an expert. But that still leaves open the question of the
witness-observations of a genuine expert. After all, it is conceivable
that a
genuine expert might observe a case as a witness first-hand. As it
turns out,
in such a case, the opinions of the expert are discoverable as a normal
witness. This was news to me.
32. Question
about "facts" not being protected by the work-product privilege.
Q.
Another tension was raised in class that really
bothered me
regarding interviews with lay-witness. My notes indicate that: (1) On
one hand,
the underlying facts of the
work-product are discoverable. (2)
On the other, the content of the
work-product is not
discoverable. If this is wrong, stop right here.
So let's say plaintiff-counsel P informally interviews lay-witness W. W
says
"The light was green." However, P does not pass judgment regarding
the truth of W's statement -- that is, he does not believe or
disbelieve the
statement.
If defense-counsel D asks in an interrogatory "Did W tell
you the light was green?" It appears that P can refuse to answer
because
he would divulge the content of the work-product. But let's say D asks
in an
interrogatory "Does W believe the
light was green?" It's not clear to me how this problem should be
decided.
On one hand, this is an end-run around the work-product rule -- how
could P
know W believes the light is green unless W told P? On the other hand,
W's
saying that the light was green presupposes his belief that the light
was
green, making this an underlying fact. Moreover, this information could
be
easily discovered through deposition, albeit at a much high cost. So
what
result?
A.
Your question leads me into a bit of philosophy.
You’re right that requiring P to answer what the witness believes about the light would be an end-run around work-product privilege. It is really no different than asking what the content of the work product is, which, as we have seen, is not allowed under Hickman.
What made this seem like a problem to you is your understanding of the word “fact.” As I noted in class, the idea that facts are not protected by the work-product privilege can be confusing. By “facts” what is really meant is the view about the facts of the person questioned. Why is this so? Well, the best anyone can do when asked something is state his best views about the facts are. For example, assume that the real fact of the matter (eg from God’s perspective) is that the light was red. A witness nevertheless believes that the light was green. The witness is not God and can’t say what the facts are. The best he can do is say what he believes the facts are (namely that the light was green). So he can be required to testify that the light was green, even though the content of his belief is expressed in work product.
Likewise if P is asked whether the light was red,
he must
answer as he believes. Simply because
the content of his belief is expressed in work-product does not mean it
is not
discoverable. But he cannot be required to answer about what the witness believes, for it is not P’s view
about the facts.
33. Question
about assignment to create diversity.
Q.
I was working on my outline this morning and I have a question. In
looking at the TA's outline, I noticed that she had "one can create
diversity by not joining an un-needed party, moving before the claim is
filed, or assigning your claim." However, right after that, she has the
case of Kramer v. Caribbean Mills which I though established that you
could not improperly join a party in order to get federal jurisdiction.
Could you please reconcile these 2 things for me? I am a bit confused.
Thanks.
A.
Some assignments will be insufficient to create diversity. An example
is the assignment in the Kramer case. But the genuine assignment of
one's interest in a lawsuit would be able to create diversity. If A(NY)
sells his interest in his contract suit against B(NY) to C(NJ) for,
say, $200K, with no funny business of the sort that occurred in Kramer
(where most of C's recovery was to be returned to A as a "bonus"), then
C will be able to sue B in diversity.
On the other hand, if this is done, it will no longer be A's lawsuit
that is brought in diversity, so this isn't really a case of A turning his own lawsuit into a diversity
case.
34. Question about direct
estoppel.
Q.
What is difference b/n
collateral and direct estoppel?
In
direct estoppel, the claim
is the same. For example, assume P sues D in federal court in
The
following is another
example of direct estoppel. P sues D for negligence in a state court
system in
which the law of claim preclusion does preclude P from first suing for
property
damages and then suing for personal injury. In the first suit for
property
damages it is determined that D was negligent. P then sues for personal
injury.
The claim is the same. But D is issue precluded from relitigating his
negligence.
35. Question about claim preclusion in
toxic tort cases.
Q.
P
sues D for mild asbestosis caused by asbestos exposure. P receives
damages.
Years later, he develops deadly
mesothelioma, a cancer caused by asbestos. P sues D for
this harm. Claim precluded?
The use of such an exception to claim preclusion outside of asbestos cases is less common. It remains very possible that claim preclusion (not to mention the statute of limitations) will bar a suit for new injuries that the plaintiff could not have known about at the time of the original suit.
...Q.
I'm
still not exactly clear on some of the privity issues. If a
parent acts
on behalf of her child and then brings her own suit for a car accident
the
parent would be precluded because she controlled the litigation of her
child?
she would be issue precluded?
I understand
the executor of the will a little better. when acting for the
decedent
the executor is taking over that cause of action and in a sense putting
themselves
in the other person's shoes. It seems, however, here that the
mother
would have her own legitimate claim separate from her child.
A.
A number of people have asked me to clarify the issue of privity that is the result of the control of litigation, especially when there is a change of capacity (eg one sues first as guardian and then as an individual). These issues were brought up in connection with the Bernhard case. As you will see, you were right to ask questions here.
First of all, as I said in class, if P brings an action in the capacity as a representative of X (eg as guardian), it should be obvious that X is subsequently issue (and claim) precluded, because a relationship of privity exists between P when acting in that capacity and X.
Second, as I also said in class, a relationship of privity can exist (allowing for issue preclusion of the nonparty) when the nonparty controlled the earlier litigation. (This incidentally would not necessarily mean that there would be claim preclusion.) Here are some examples (from the Second Restatement of Judgments section 39):
A brings an
action against C for damages to A's property allegedly resulting from
C's negligence.
B, an insurance company that insured C against liability, assumes
defense of
the action. A judgment in favor of A is preclusive on B as to the
issues
determined in the action.
A brings an action against B, a corporation, in which one of the issues is the value of a certain object of property. C, the principal stockholder of B, controls the defense of the action. The determination of the value of the property is conclusive upon C in a subsequent action between him and A.
Notice that it not
enough that the
nonparty is represented by the same law firm, helped
to finance the litigation, appeared as an amicus
curiae, or testified as a witness.
The level of control of the previous litigation must be higher than
that.
Third, let us consider
the Bernhard
case. Remember that Bernhard, as a beneficiary of Sather’s estate,
first
sued
Cook. It was determined that the money at issue was a gift from Sather
to Cook.
Next Bernhard, as administratrix of Sather’s estate, sued Bank of
America for
the same money. The main issue of the case was whether a nonparty (Bank
of
America) could use issue preclusion against Bernhard (this was an
example of
defensive nonmutual issue preclusion). The court concluded that BofA
could. But
we also briefly discussed the following problem: Even if nonmutual
issue
preclusion is allowed, the person who is precluded must have been a
party or in
privity with a party in the earlier litigation. So the question arises:
Why was
Bernhard, in her capacity as administratrix of Sather’s estate, bound
by
litigation pursued by Bernhard, in her capacity as a beneficiary of
Sather’s
estate?
This is what Traynor
himself says on
this
matter (p. 729-30 in the case book):
The plaintiff
has brought the present action in the capacity of
administratrix of the estate. In this capacity she represents the very
same
persons and interests that were represented in the earlier hearing on
the
executor's account. Inthat proceeding plaintiff and
the other
legatees who objected to the executor's account represented the estate
of the
decedent. They were seeking not a personal recovery but, like the
plaintiff in
the present action, as administratrix, a recovery for the benefit of
the
legatees and creditors of the estate, all of whom were bound by the
order
settling the account. The plea of res judicata is therefore available
against
plaintiff as a party to the former proceeding despite her formal
change of
capacity. 'Where a party though appearing in two suits in different
capacities
is in fact litigating the same right, the judgment in one estops him in
the
other.'
The reason that
Bernhard as administratrix of Sather’s estate is
bound is because, as administratrix, she is representing, among others,
Bernhard in her individual capacity, insofar as she is one of the
beneficiaries
of Sather’s will. The situation is really similar to the following
case: I sue
X and lose. I then go crazy. My wife, as my guardian, sues Y concerning
the
same issue that was litigated in my suit against X. My wife, as my
guardian, is
issue precluded, because she is representing my interest.
So far so good.
Now for the law on issue preclusion in cases of
change of capacity. Say my wife, as my guardian, sues X and loses. Is
she, in
her individual capacity, issue precluded? Consider
Alexander v.
Pathfinder, Inc., 91 F.3d 59, 63 (8th
Cir. 1996). The plaintiff mother took an active role in state
administrative
proceedings challenging the discharge of her severely retarded son from
a care
facility. Among other issues, she raised and litigated the argument
that the
discharge was undertaken in retaliation for her complaints. The
administrative
judgment established issue preclusion, defeating her subsequent
retaliation
claim in her individual capacity.
But always
assuming issue preclusion when
there is a switch in capacity can be problematic because of conflicts
of
interest. Consider, once again, the example of my wife. She would have
a
conflict of interest if what she litigates as my guardian would issue
preclude
her as an individual as well. After all, what is good for me might not
be good
for her. We should not require her to make the choice between her own
interest
and mine.
As it turns out,
for precisely these reasons, there is not, in
general, issue preclusion when there is a change in capacity. The only
exceptions, which would explain the Alexander case, is when no conflict
of
interest problem exists. Here is an example from the Second
Restatement of
Judgments section 36:
AIn a collision between cars driven by A
and B, A is injured, B is killed, and C, who is B's wife, is also
injured. A brings an action for his injuries against C as
administratrix of B's estate. Judgment is for A. If C subsequently sues
for her own injuries, she is not precluded from relitigating the issues
determined in the first action.
A.
First of all, if a party simply fails to show up for a deposition, that
party can be sanctioned under R 37(d). As for non-parties, if they fail
to show up, you must make a motion to compel under R 37(a), which
requires "a certification that the movant has in good faith conferred
or attempted to confer with the person or party failing to make the
discovery in an effort to secure the information or material without
court action." If the motion is granted and ignored by the witness,
this will result in sanctions under R 37(b). But what if a party or
non-party witness shows up but makes frivolous objections to the
questions asked? You must then make a motion to compel, again under R
37(a). If the motion is granted and ignored, then you can get sanctions
under R 37(b).
40. Question about claim preclusion
for default judgments.
Q.
For res judicata, if a party defaults on a judgment does res judicata
apply? It doesn't seem like it would for issue preclusion,
because that issue hasn't been fully litigated. But I am not so
sure about claim preclusion.
A.
There is claim preclusion for a default judgment (but not issue
preclusion). If P sues D and gets a default judgment, P may not sue D
again concerning the same transaction or occurence. Likewise D is bound
by that judgment, so long as it stands. But D can, of course, get the
judgment set aside, if he can show there was no SMJ, PJ etc. If the
judgment is set aside, then neither P nor D is claim precluded.
41. Question about claim
preclusion and R. 41(b).
Q.
Is the claim preclusive effect of a default judgment governed by
R 41(b)? I still can't clearly understand the relationship between
claim preclusion and R41(b).